This was a very good article, but as a Yankee I don’t like the idea of the Continent beinf divided up and used by foreign powers. While I am a localist, I’m not a secessionist. America or any smart nation realizes they can’t be divided at home or else they look weak on the world stage. I understand that Lincoln’s presidency was the first death knell for localism and States’s Rights but I also believe in a strong and United America on the world stage.
The piece is admittedly very narrow and simplifies many things. And doesn't take in corrective measures and developments that occurred later on. Still, I think it highlights a useful perspective, though not the only one!
Vanauken talks about the endgame as well, going through the historical what if scenario had there been "two Americas" in the twentieth century instead of just the one. I thought his analysis there was weaker there so I didn't include it.
As a Midwestener with Southern blood on both sides, I can't help but think we will never be united the way people want. We currently are bursting at the seams, and we have had many physical altercations between our groups. America was a great experiment, one I support, but it has to better frame itself in the founding vision. Ethnic enclaves of Europeans banding together under an Anglo-led union of free states. We cannot keep trying to boil us down to one common bond, we are too different.
I am pro-unity between Whites, but until our local identities and familial bonds are properly affirmed, I fear we will continue being divided. The divide doesn't exist due to the South or North being obstinate. It exists due to deeply felt identities which are ultimately not the same. This has to be affirmed if alliances are to be properly drawn up and used.
Since it didn't happen though we are now almost majority non White. This is even more untenable. I think the nation will balkanize, because that is natural when faced with such struggles.
Vanauken talks about there being something forced and artificial in the ostensibly unified "American" identity, which in truth is basically a Yankee identity.
Frederick Burnham, world famous scout, said about American colonization that it was done in a very “hammer and tongs” kind of way, and that he much preferred the Boer method which affirmed the Boers and the English into one Afrikaner identity. The Anglos clearly had dominance, but the Boers never lost themselves like so many Americans have. The issue is that America isn't truly lost, but many want it to be lost and muddled forever.
I think the main problem is that many groups in America attempted the Boer method (and still do, the Amish are a great example, while many families have repeated this on a smaller scale) but they are lambasted by the federal government and social stigma spreads, even in our own circles, and the fear of ethnic division sprouts up. We end up adopting memes which were formed by our ideaological enemies from over two hundred years ago, such as the Euromutt meme, the melting pot, etc. The way we currently view and relate to our new lands is very different than our forefathers who settled these lands.
I was raised with part of an understanding of who I am and where my family comes from. However, I rectified my position further by adopting the views of my forefathers, the early Scotsmen who came to this land and helped settle it. My perspective on America is shaped by the Heritage Americans I am descended from, who are predominantly Scots. This sort of thing has happened with each unique type of American, from the Scots-Irish coal miners, to the Midwestern German industrialists and farmers, to French trappers, and so on. Every family views America through their own familial lens.
I think it's been a recipe for disaster since the start. Blood and soil has never been properly affirmed except by early Americans, and the later Confederacy. Instead, we have been like the “hammer and tongs” and attempted to mash everyone into the Anglosphere. Couldn't ever work, and our long stories history is proof of that.
Imo, Davis was right. The North was Roundhead. The South was Jacobite and Cavalier. And since the South was reconstructed, the Cavaliers and Jacobites are scattered. Still here, but scattered.
Yeah, I agree. Local identities need to be affirmed, I’m just a little scared of the chaos that Balkanization will bring and how foreign powers will seek to keep America divided and weak.
This was a very good article, but as a Yankee I don’t like the idea of the Continent beinf divided up and used by foreign powers. While I am a localist, I’m not a secessionist. America or any smart nation realizes they can’t be divided at home or else they look weak on the world stage. I understand that Lincoln’s presidency was the first death knell for localism and States’s Rights but I also believe in a strong and United America on the world stage.
The piece is admittedly very narrow and simplifies many things. And doesn't take in corrective measures and developments that occurred later on. Still, I think it highlights a useful perspective, though not the only one!
Vanauken talks about the endgame as well, going through the historical what if scenario had there been "two Americas" in the twentieth century instead of just the one. I thought his analysis there was weaker there so I didn't include it.
As a Midwestener with Southern blood on both sides, I can't help but think we will never be united the way people want. We currently are bursting at the seams, and we have had many physical altercations between our groups. America was a great experiment, one I support, but it has to better frame itself in the founding vision. Ethnic enclaves of Europeans banding together under an Anglo-led union of free states. We cannot keep trying to boil us down to one common bond, we are too different.
I am pro-unity between Whites, but until our local identities and familial bonds are properly affirmed, I fear we will continue being divided. The divide doesn't exist due to the South or North being obstinate. It exists due to deeply felt identities which are ultimately not the same. This has to be affirmed if alliances are to be properly drawn up and used.
Since it didn't happen though we are now almost majority non White. This is even more untenable. I think the nation will balkanize, because that is natural when faced with such struggles.
Vanauken talks about there being something forced and artificial in the ostensibly unified "American" identity, which in truth is basically a Yankee identity.
Frederick Burnham, world famous scout, said about American colonization that it was done in a very “hammer and tongs” kind of way, and that he much preferred the Boer method which affirmed the Boers and the English into one Afrikaner identity. The Anglos clearly had dominance, but the Boers never lost themselves like so many Americans have. The issue is that America isn't truly lost, but many want it to be lost and muddled forever.
I think the main problem is that many groups in America attempted the Boer method (and still do, the Amish are a great example, while many families have repeated this on a smaller scale) but they are lambasted by the federal government and social stigma spreads, even in our own circles, and the fear of ethnic division sprouts up. We end up adopting memes which were formed by our ideaological enemies from over two hundred years ago, such as the Euromutt meme, the melting pot, etc. The way we currently view and relate to our new lands is very different than our forefathers who settled these lands.
I was raised with part of an understanding of who I am and where my family comes from. However, I rectified my position further by adopting the views of my forefathers, the early Scotsmen who came to this land and helped settle it. My perspective on America is shaped by the Heritage Americans I am descended from, who are predominantly Scots. This sort of thing has happened with each unique type of American, from the Scots-Irish coal miners, to the Midwestern German industrialists and farmers, to French trappers, and so on. Every family views America through their own familial lens.
I think it's been a recipe for disaster since the start. Blood and soil has never been properly affirmed except by early Americans, and the later Confederacy. Instead, we have been like the “hammer and tongs” and attempted to mash everyone into the Anglosphere. Couldn't ever work, and our long stories history is proof of that.
Imo, Davis was right. The North was Roundhead. The South was Jacobite and Cavalier. And since the South was reconstructed, the Cavaliers and Jacobites are scattered. Still here, but scattered.
Yeah, I agree. Local identities need to be affirmed, I’m just a little scared of the chaos that Balkanization will bring and how foreign powers will seek to keep America divided and weak.
Agreed, if we can avoid balkanization we should, but we should be prepared for natural recourse if we can't maintain the experiment. But I 100% agree